A few?? A few??? Phelps, Bush, Swaggert, Robertson, Falwell, Dr. Laura, Alan Keyes, Jesse Helms, Don Knickles, Trent Lott, Reggie White, The American Family Association, Paul Cameron, then you count all the christians that support them, then all the christians I'm surrounded by constantly here in the Baptist bible belt, and the fact that I was raised Christian, the in laws that swear that not only I'm going to hell but taking the hubby with me since he no longer attends church. Then let's not forget the bill so that christians can harass others and it's not a hate crime. However, let me go out with a sign that says my god will send christians to the darkest hells like they do gay people and watch them all scream persecution! You people think it's persecution if we don't put "Merry Christmas" on every store! Here's the majority of your high profile christians:
1. sex offenders
2. pedophiles
3. Phelps (does god really want him disrespecting men and women who die for our country by picketing thier funerals and disrespecting grieving families?)
4. Phelps (that man's HATRED for gays is only surpassed by the late Falwell's hatred for feminists...real christian like)
5. Spreaders of hate
6. Homophobic, which is none of my business except they picket and pick on the gay people
7. Go read Fundies say the darnedest things...read some of the hate and vitriol, in fact, read all over the internet
8. Adulterers
9. Hypocrites
10. Whining, insensitive dramatics
You say there's no proof...sure is. There's proof every time christians picket gays, most of Congress, the marriage amendment,
If I'm picking the weakest, that's because that's all we see. ALL WE SEE. Those claiming christians are being persecuted because Walmart put up "Happy Holidays", yet none of us are demanding to put you in gas chambers. Hollering persecution when YOU don't get fired for being pagan or muslim. YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FUCKIN' TV CHANNEL and you still cry about being "picked on" because we won't let you put religion up in the courthouses. Guess what, I pay my taxes too and I'm not a christian! This is my country too. While I'm happy to share it with you, I will not let you marginalize me. I haven't met just teenage christians, I've met them young and old. THE TEENAGERS WERE ACTUALLY MORE CHRISTIAN THAN THEIR BIBLE THUMPING PARENTS!!!
And yes, they do act holier than thou. It's not just me. Anytime you go around looking down on people for not choosing your way, it's holier than thou. You do it in your post to anonymous with "If you are plagued by your past actions, I can understand it. There are burdens that come with failed relationships, and the best way to cope is to turn them over to God." If that just doesn't scream condescension and superiority I don't know what does. He never said he was plagued by his past actions. In fact, quite the opposite. What made you toss that in there? What purpose did that serve except for you to deride his choices, albeit subtly, by labeling his relationship(S) as failed? Especially as he'd only mentioned one that both parties parted on good terms? Then you follow up with: "The point I want to make to you is that inserting drama that you completely invented simply for drama's sake means you no longer get to be taken seriously." Pardon me, but who made you god on that blog? There it is again, that subtly condescending, "Ok,now you're throwing a wittle fit, so you gotta go pway with the wittle kids" attitude. I've read the bible, TWICE, at no point do I recall God or Jesus saying you're supposed to talk down to your fellow man. And then I love this one: "You don't even understand why your rant against those mean judgemental fundies exposes that you are more interested in..."blah blah bullshit...You presume to know what he's thinking? You mean to tell me YOU understand his rant but he doesn't? Are you actually saying that because of your "superiority" (whether you attribute it to god or intellect) tells you what he feels and believes better than HE does? WOW. I'm an intellectual snob and an asshole and even *I* don't go around telling people I know what they are thinking better than they do.
Now, one more thing: "You want to be one of the enlightened and you desire to put fundies like me in my place."
Don't tell me what I want unless you want to hear what I want. I want your church to clean up your public image and your own fellow worshippers before picketing my gay buddies' parties. I want your church to read your bible and know it better than *I* do before you come up to me with your tracts and your flyers. I want your christians to go talk to a Jew that's been persecuted in Germany before screaming persecution, but you better hurry, I think there's only one left. I want your christians to shut up, quit whining, and live WITH the rest of the religions in our country (which means I want your religion to stay too, just SHARE). Which means no picketing Walmart for putting up "Happy Holidays" because a few other religions have holidays in the same time frame. It also means keeping YOUR religion out of public schools so that you don't interfere with my teachings, but to be fair, I will also keep MY religion out as well. But don't bitch when you get your religion in and mine follows in right behind it. It also means that when I say Happy Holidays, don't take it wrong, take it like I mean it. I WANT YOU TO HAVE A JOYFUL HOLIDAY SEASON NO MATTER WHICH ONE YOU CELEBRATE. I want christians to do what I do: Don't go bugging people about who they worship UNLESS ASKED. If you want to testify about Jesus, then LIVE LIKE HIM. I want your religion to publicly denounce those high profile folks that claim christianity while sinning as bad as the devil before you give me shit about "painting you all with the same brush". I want your worshippers to see the new pagan store go up in town and welcome the PERSON and wish them well even if you don't agree with their beliefs. In return I will give you EXACTLY the same amount of respect you give the rest of us. I want to wear MY religious symbols without worrying about, not only if my husband will lose his job, but also if he'll even be able to get another one that pays just as well without moving. I also want to wear them without being approached by christians, sneered at by christians, or hearing smart ass not so christian remarks from them. I also want to be able to have a bad day or a bad experience without someone like you coming along to tell me that it's because I don't have gawd in my life. What, do christians not have bad days or bad things happen to them? I can assure you they do. I was Christian for 12 years before I lost the faith and I was physically abused. The bad thing is what drove me from the church were the followers. As Ghandi once said, "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." I don't have a problem with Jesus or God, I have a problem with christians. And if I understood the Bible correctly, so does God and Jesus (have a problem with christians I mean). Don't attempt to psychoanalyze me, Eli. You won't like what you find in there. I believe in letting gays marry and pagans have parades in the streets and the right to choose and atheists having "God" removed from anything the government puts out. I believe in religious freedom and the freedom from religion. It's shocking in there.
I also want world peace and an end to starvation, and I'll likely see that LONG before I ever see a christian do all of the above.
Thursday, March 27, 2008
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If I had been allowed to follow my dream of marrying the person I loved (another woman) at the Daytona International Speedway or the Ocala National Forest (both in my native Florida) instead of in Massachusetts, a state neither of us had even *visited*, well, I'd have fewer quarrels with Christianists.
And now they want to make Florida's anti-SSM laws even tougher, so no domestic partnership registries, even!
But we saw over at the Watcher's blog that they also don't want straight people to enjoy intimacy or to have sex without guilt.
Damn Jales that was great!!! I love your rants. You are a woman after my own heart...hehehehehe
The biggest hypocrites, liars and bigots I've ever come across in my 55 years of living have been one form or another of Christians.
They preach love and tolerance and acceptance and with the next breath condemn all who don't conform to their beliefs.
I was raised Catholic and saw through the hypocrisy. At the age of 9 I was sitting in church (forced mass) when the priest did his thing on the sins of gambling. Before leaving the pulpit and right after telling us how sinful gambling was he announced to all about the bazaar with its gaming wheels later that day in the auditorium; and the bingo games every Wed and Fri. I thought about that a moment and realized that raffle tickets we were forced to sell, bingo games, the wheels at the bazaar were all forms of gambling. Gambling being games of chance, money played to win money. The hypocrisy floored me. THAT was when I noticed all the lies and bigotry also.
Oh, no, Lilo. You can enjoy all the guilt-free sex you want. As long as it's under the conditions the fundies have set and with the person they've granted you permission to have sex with.
Isn't American freedom beautiful?
Fundies and any other control freak monster, can beg on their knees to KMLWA before I'd even give a moment's consideration to their demands.
In MY world, I rule, they can all GtH....hehehehe
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